Monday, April 23, 2007
ALEC AND KIM REDUX--PARENTAL ALIENATION SYNDROME?
We do not want to dwell on this case because we are more interested in the nature of the dispute than the individuals involved in the dispute. However we note that this article has stimulated a tremendous amount of thought-provoking discussion.
Some of the initial posts are pasted hereinbelow. The rest can be accessed here.
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Message #13
I feel for alex, as a father trying to win custody of my two children, i know what he is going through, for that tape message to appear on national tv, it could only have been the mother's doing. A 12 year old would not have the sense to call a reporter and ask them to publish the phone conversation. That was deliberately done by the mother to show the world how bad Alex is to his daughter. What the mother does not know, is she publicly humiliated her own daughter too. I believe that alex was frustrated as i am many times, when i want to see my children only to be denied by the mother, and then phone conversations are taped after she gets me angry and then the tapes are displayed to make me look like a lunatic as they are trying to do to Alex. I wish the courts would take the time to investigate both mother and father before they jump to the conclusion that the mothers are always right. My ex will smile in your face like an angel, then stab you in the back. I think that is what Alex is going through now. My advise for Alex, when you show you don't care, that is when they want to dump the kids down your throat, which is a sad situation.
Message #14
If you look up PAS on the internet, the story is the same, only the names are changed. I lived it. I have so much sympathy for the daughter. She won't get the whole story until she's older. I read that he had called his daughter back immediately afterward and apologized but I agree adults should protect their children from any negativity about the other parent and not take out their frustrations on them. Her mother is hurting her just as much as her father's words by allowing this to get out to the public.
Message #15
I do blame Kim Basinger for this issue as well, she should let her daughter know that Alec Baldwin is her father, no matter what her relationship with him as her ex-husband in the past and the nasty divorce, he will always be her daughter's father, so for the sake of this, she should know how to develop a relationship between Alec and Ireland, specially since Ireland is with her, she is only a child and its a mother job to make sure there is still relationship going as a daughter and father, even if he is many miles away. Since their daughter is only 11 yrs, she should have also make sure that her daughter attend her father's call no matter what is making her busy, (it seems that he have to call her on specific time according to court on the custody), after all her father do not and cannot meet her often due to the court on their custody. Kim as a mother should inform her that her father will miss her too and that his phonbe call is important for her i.e Ireland and Alec. If i am in her position, that is what i will do, even if i hate my daughter's father.
Message #16
Also, i am wondering who leak this tape? it is not a mature way fighting about divorce and custody case. I think they should investigate and if it is from Kim personally leaking this through her lawyer etc. let her also get some punishment for this infiltration of privacy to selling to public media to gain the court case. It is just not justified.
Message #17
To: Fathers who care
I applaud you. My mother was always thought of as an angel too. Only I knew the difference but I was too ashamed to tell anyone. In private, she was a tyrant--a real-life "mommy dearest". I thought I must be a "bad" person too because I was his daughter and she would hate me as much as she hated him. It was very hard to feel like I would lose both parents. These women are very manipulative and will exploit anything for their own purpose of keeping the kids away from their dad as a punishment to the dad for the perceived wrongs done to them. And since they're so good at deception, they usually have everyone believing them. I wish the courts everywhere would see this for what it is. Some states do, just not enough of them.
Message #18
"Eating like a pig" is completely opposite to "You ARE a pig"
In any event, Martha's defense of Alec Baldwin is an example of the "Why do you stay with them?" query to the abused wives. Because some of them, like Martha, love the abusers, like Alec, just too much to put them where they belong: In a single isolated cell.
Martha give some explanation to the "battered wife syndome" and Alec and others give thanks to her.
Message #19
Imagine the fear that Kim & Ireland have had to live with all this time, with a raging lunatic filled with such anger and hatred spewing at them like this. Do you think this is the one and only time he has spoken like this? Perhaps most of Alec's conversations sound like this. Maybe that's the reason Ireland didn't answer this call? Just think, if this recorded message had never taken place, there would be no documentation for this tape to have been "leaked". Bravo to who ever did bring this tape forward, to show Alec's true colors. It will make for great documentation in court, when a permanent, life long restraining order should be issued against him. If Alec is in attendance, maybe that will be the next mass shooting........GET HELP NOW ALEC!!!!!
Message #20
No, its not excusable, but as a wife whose husband is the victim of cruel games by his ex, using their child as a pawn, I can understand too how much that must hurt. We dont really know the whole story, and it would behoove the public to not take sides in a divorce case (i know this is inevitable). I just hope that this will bring attention to the millions of fit fathers who have to fight the bitterness and resentment of their ex, and prevent the child from being used in a tug of war battle. The mother is not always right
Message #21
Right on, Martha. Baldwin blew it, it's awful. But equally awful are all the judgmental people claiming he's so horrible, when 99% percent of them -- at least the ones with kids -- have probably done the same damned thing once or twice (or more). Thanks for reminding us that nobody is perfect.
Message #22
This article was such a touching defense of Mr. Baldwin. How do I get on his payroll?
Message #23
IT SEEMS LIKE THE MEN ALWAYS GET THE GARBAGE FROM THE EXWIFES, OH YES THERE GOOD ENOUGH TO PAY SUPPORT EVERY WEEK. BUT WHEN THE HUSBANDS WANT THERE TIME WITH THE KIDS THERE ARE 100 EXCUSES WHY HE CAN'T HAVE THEM. MY HUSBAND WENT THROUGH THAT FOR 5YRS SHE MADE SURE HE WAS THE SCUM OF THE EARTH IN THERE CHILDRENS EYES. HE NEVER ONCE MISSED A SUPPORT PAYMENT, B-DAYS OR CHRISTMAS AND NOW AFTER ALL THIS TIME NOW HE IS GOOD ENOUGH TO CALL DAD AND THESE WERE NOT SMALL KIDS. SO READERS DON'T BE SO QUICK TO JUDGE UNTILL YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS.
PLEASE KEEP AND OPEN MIND NOT ALL MEN ARE BAD IT'S JUST WHAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH SOMETIMES. WOMEN LOVE REVENGE BELIEVE ME MEN SHOULD DO WHATS RIGHT BUT WOMEN HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO AND THAT'S TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THERE END.
Message #24
I wonder how he treat his daughter when nobody is around, There is no excuse for talking to her like that.
We do not want to dwell on this case because we are more interested in the nature of the dispute than the individuals involved in the dispute. However we note that this article has stimulated a tremendous amount of thought-provoking discussion.
Some of the initial posts are pasted hereinbelow. The rest can be accessed here.
________________________________________________________________________________
Message #13
I feel for alex, as a father trying to win custody of my two children, i know what he is going through, for that tape message to appear on national tv, it could only have been the mother's doing. A 12 year old would not have the sense to call a reporter and ask them to publish the phone conversation. That was deliberately done by the mother to show the world how bad Alex is to his daughter. What the mother does not know, is she publicly humiliated her own daughter too. I believe that alex was frustrated as i am many times, when i want to see my children only to be denied by the mother, and then phone conversations are taped after she gets me angry and then the tapes are displayed to make me look like a lunatic as they are trying to do to Alex. I wish the courts would take the time to investigate both mother and father before they jump to the conclusion that the mothers are always right. My ex will smile in your face like an angel, then stab you in the back. I think that is what Alex is going through now. My advise for Alex, when you show you don't care, that is when they want to dump the kids down your throat, which is a sad situation.
Message #14
If you look up PAS on the internet, the story is the same, only the names are changed. I lived it. I have so much sympathy for the daughter. She won't get the whole story until she's older. I read that he had called his daughter back immediately afterward and apologized but I agree adults should protect their children from any negativity about the other parent and not take out their frustrations on them. Her mother is hurting her just as much as her father's words by allowing this to get out to the public.
Message #15
I do blame Kim Basinger for this issue as well, she should let her daughter know that Alec Baldwin is her father, no matter what her relationship with him as her ex-husband in the past and the nasty divorce, he will always be her daughter's father, so for the sake of this, she should know how to develop a relationship between Alec and Ireland, specially since Ireland is with her, she is only a child and its a mother job to make sure there is still relationship going as a daughter and father, even if he is many miles away. Since their daughter is only 11 yrs, she should have also make sure that her daughter attend her father's call no matter what is making her busy, (it seems that he have to call her on specific time according to court on the custody), after all her father do not and cannot meet her often due to the court on their custody. Kim as a mother should inform her that her father will miss her too and that his phonbe call is important for her i.e Ireland and Alec. If i am in her position, that is what i will do, even if i hate my daughter's father.
Message #16
Also, i am wondering who leak this tape? it is not a mature way fighting about divorce and custody case. I think they should investigate and if it is from Kim personally leaking this through her lawyer etc. let her also get some punishment for this infiltration of privacy to selling to public media to gain the court case. It is just not justified.
Message #17
To: Fathers who care
I applaud you. My mother was always thought of as an angel too. Only I knew the difference but I was too ashamed to tell anyone. In private, she was a tyrant--a real-life "mommy dearest". I thought I must be a "bad" person too because I was his daughter and she would hate me as much as she hated him. It was very hard to feel like I would lose both parents. These women are very manipulative and will exploit anything for their own purpose of keeping the kids away from their dad as a punishment to the dad for the perceived wrongs done to them. And since they're so good at deception, they usually have everyone believing them. I wish the courts everywhere would see this for what it is. Some states do, just not enough of them.
Message #18
"Eating like a pig" is completely opposite to "You ARE a pig"
In any event, Martha's defense of Alec Baldwin is an example of the "Why do you stay with them?" query to the abused wives. Because some of them, like Martha, love the abusers, like Alec, just too much to put them where they belong: In a single isolated cell.
Martha give some explanation to the "battered wife syndome" and Alec and others give thanks to her.
Message #19
Imagine the fear that Kim & Ireland have had to live with all this time, with a raging lunatic filled with such anger and hatred spewing at them like this. Do you think this is the one and only time he has spoken like this? Perhaps most of Alec's conversations sound like this. Maybe that's the reason Ireland didn't answer this call? Just think, if this recorded message had never taken place, there would be no documentation for this tape to have been "leaked". Bravo to who ever did bring this tape forward, to show Alec's true colors. It will make for great documentation in court, when a permanent, life long restraining order should be issued against him. If Alec is in attendance, maybe that will be the next mass shooting........GET HELP NOW ALEC!!!!!
Message #20
No, its not excusable, but as a wife whose husband is the victim of cruel games by his ex, using their child as a pawn, I can understand too how much that must hurt. We dont really know the whole story, and it would behoove the public to not take sides in a divorce case (i know this is inevitable). I just hope that this will bring attention to the millions of fit fathers who have to fight the bitterness and resentment of their ex, and prevent the child from being used in a tug of war battle. The mother is not always right
Message #21
Right on, Martha. Baldwin blew it, it's awful. But equally awful are all the judgmental people claiming he's so horrible, when 99% percent of them -- at least the ones with kids -- have probably done the same damned thing once or twice (or more). Thanks for reminding us that nobody is perfect.
Message #22
This article was such a touching defense of Mr. Baldwin. How do I get on his payroll?
Message #23
IT SEEMS LIKE THE MEN ALWAYS GET THE GARBAGE FROM THE EXWIFES, OH YES THERE GOOD ENOUGH TO PAY SUPPORT EVERY WEEK. BUT WHEN THE HUSBANDS WANT THERE TIME WITH THE KIDS THERE ARE 100 EXCUSES WHY HE CAN'T HAVE THEM. MY HUSBAND WENT THROUGH THAT FOR 5YRS SHE MADE SURE HE WAS THE SCUM OF THE EARTH IN THERE CHILDRENS EYES. HE NEVER ONCE MISSED A SUPPORT PAYMENT, B-DAYS OR CHRISTMAS AND NOW AFTER ALL THIS TIME NOW HE IS GOOD ENOUGH TO CALL DAD AND THESE WERE NOT SMALL KIDS. SO READERS DON'T BE SO QUICK TO JUDGE UNTILL YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS.
PLEASE KEEP AND OPEN MIND NOT ALL MEN ARE BAD IT'S JUST WHAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH SOMETIMES. WOMEN LOVE REVENGE BELIEVE ME MEN SHOULD DO WHATS RIGHT BUT WOMEN HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO AND THAT'S TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THERE END.
Message #24
I wonder how he treat his daughter when nobody is around, There is no excuse for talking to her like that.
Labels: Parental Alienation Syndrome
